I do not understand those who take little or no interest in the subject of religion. If religion embodies a truth, it is certainly the most important truth of human existence. If it is largely error, then it is one of monumentally tragic proportions - and should be vigorously opposed. -- Steve Allen |
Summary of this SectionThe purpose of religion is to gain wealth and power. If you look at what churches and religions do, you will easily see this. They tell people how to live their lives and they take their money.That's all there is to religion. Please, read the rest of the details. Then write to me and tell me what you think. |
Webster defines religion as:
What really has my AttentionNow to the root of the matter:Gore Vidal does need to be corrected on one point - it has not been 2000 years - more like 5000. It is this type of religion that I see around me most. Perhaps if I were surrounded by Hindus or Budists or Confucians or even Unitarian Universalists I would not be writing this section. Perhaps I would. |
There have been plenty of people throughout history who believed in a God or gods. There still are many. I do not hold this as evidence that God(s) exist. In fact an argument can be made that, if there is no God and we just evolved, we would be likely to believe in one anyway. Here it is.
Setting what people believe aside and considering the evidence, it is highly probable that one way or another we are on our own. Here's why.
Why I say there is no God.It's very simple to see that, I say. It is obvious that it could be no other way. Here's why:
Well, alright, some people have logical arguments. Here are a few of them:
Consider what these arguments, flawed or not, argue for. They are arguments for the existence of a creator. They do not lead to the conclusion that there is any action we need to take. My statement still stands: There is nothing we need to know or do regarding the creator if there is one. |
Religion, then, comes from people. It is either something they mistakenly believe, desire to believe, or want others to believe.
Could religion be what people mistakenly believe?
Is your first guess always right?We modern people have no trouble understanding that primitive tribal people made up gods to explain why things happen. We can accept that the ancient greeks made up their gods out of their imagination and desire to understand. We look at these other people and "know" that they were simply wrong. Meanwhile, we worship gods passed down to us for thousands of years by people who misunderstood many things we know the truth about today. |
Could religion be what people desire to believe?
Why would anybody want to believe it?I'm not going to die, really.This last one is bigger than we usually notice. The comfort of knowing and knowing that what we know is right is very important to us. Avoiding the discomfort of not knowing is a powerful motivation to find answers. Having all the answers feels good. |
Could religion be what people want others to believe?
It's a simple matter of power.We know that people in power want to hold on to that power and increase it. What could be better than convincing people that you have access to even greater knowledge and power than they can see in you? - knowledge and power that can be available to them only through you. |
My guess is, it's mostly the last of those three.
My guess at how religion startedYou can get your kids to do what you want while you're watching but how do you get them to do what you want when you're not watching?To solve this problem, you tell them that there's somebody else who's watching and knows what they do all the time and even knows what they think, someone who knows every move they make and will reward or punish them. Well, if you think parents wouldn't make stuff up and tell their kids stuff when they know it isn't true, what about Santa Clause, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, Boogie Man, Big Bad Wolf - aren't these all ways to control children? If that doesn't convince you, push a cart around a grocery store a while and listen to what people are telling their children. Parents talk to each other sharing things like how to keep the kids in line. Kids talk to each other sharing things like what their parents told them and then they tell their parents what the other kids told them. Is it surprising that the various stories become the same over time? Is it surprising that some kids mature still believing the stories their parents told them? After all, there is no way for them to check it out. But, actually that has little to do with it. You see, the kids grow up and then they have kids and they want to be able to tell the same story. They want to believe it! Besides, they become parents before they are done being kids. There's never a time for their parent to say, "Now you are grown up. I have something to tell you". Think about this: How many people do you know who started going to chuch when they had children? EvidenceBut, wait! There's more! What about the slave-holders? How seriously do you think they took their religion if they told soulless animals to act out the rituals of worshiping their god. Apparently they didn't really believe. If they did, wouldn't they think their god would be angry at them for using fake acts of worship to control their slaves? - for lying to their slaves, telling them they could have life after death? Remember, they thought slaves did not have souls. That's what made it okay to treat them like animals. But, is it okay to lie to your dog, for example, to call him in for food and not give him food? So just like the first parent that ever told a child that somebody up there was watching, these slave-holders didn't believe. There was even a Bible specially edited for slaves. It included the parts the slaveholders wanted the slaves to know about but not other parts that might give slaves ideas about fredom. Here is something about it and here is more. |
Take a look at the effects religions have had on the world and people. Religions have started wars, killed people, told people to kill others and themselves, tortured and killed animals, supported tyranny and slavery, oppressed women, persecuted minorities, interfered with scientific progress, encouraged overpopulation, discouraged environmental responsibility, extorted money and property, taught guilt, shame, and self hatred.
Other people have a lot to say about this. Here's what some of our great leaders and thinkers say.
What do our leaders and thinkers say?If they are good workmen, they may be from Asia, Africa, or Europe; they may be Mahomedans, Jews, or Christians of any sect, or they may be Atheists. -- George Washington. The Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion ... -- John Adams The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. -- Thomas Jefferson Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded prospect. -- James Madison I have seldom met an intelligent person whose views were not narrowed and distorted by religion. -- James Buchanan My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures have become clearer and stronger with advancing years, and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them. -- Abraham Lincoln In 1850, I believe, the church property in the United States, which paid no tax, amounted to $87 million. In 1900, without a check, it is safe to say, this property will reach a sum of $3 billion. I would suggest the taxation of all property equally. -- Ulysses S. Grant I know that human prejudice - especially that growing out of race and religion is cruelly inveterate and lasting. -- Grover Cleveland ... religious intolerance which exists among many of our citizens. I hold it to be a menace to the very liberties we boast and cherish. -- Warren G. Harding As men's prayers are a disease of the will, so are their creeds a disease of the intellect. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson For my part, I would as soon be descended from [a] baboon ... as from a savage who delights to torture his enemies ... treats his wives like slaves ... and is haunted by the grossest superstitions. -- Charles Darwin It is time the clergy are told that thinking men, after a close examination of that doctrine [Christianity], pronounce it to be subversive of true moral development and, therefore, positively noxious. -- George Eliot. The Church hates a thinker precisely for the same reason a robber dislikes a sheriff, or a thief despises the prosecuting witness. -- Robert Ingersoll Missionarying - that least excusable of all human trades. -- Mark Twain The great trouble is that the preachers get the children from six to seven years of age, and then it is almost impossible to do anything with them. Incurably religious - that is the best way to describe the mental condition of so many people. Incurably religious. -- Thomas Edison When a man is freed of religion, he has a better chance to live a normal and wholesome life. -- Sigmund Freud It is not disbelief that is dangerous to our society, it is belief. -- George Bernard Shaw Religion is based, I think, primarily and mainly upon fear ... fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. -- Bertrand Russell A man's ethical behavior should be based effectively on sympathy, education and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. -- Albert Einstein I feel no need for any other faith than my faith in human beings. Like Confucius of old, I am so absorbed in the wonder of earth and the life upon it that I cannot think of heaven and the angels. -- Pearl Buck What mean and cruel things men do for the love of god. -- W. Somerset Maugham To work hard, to live hard, to die hard, and then to go to hell after all would be too damned hard. -- Carl Sandburg Why do people go on pretending about this Christianity? -- H. G. Wells Christianity as an institutionalized religion has laid no stress on the pursuit of truth. Indeed, for the most part it has been suspicious of the truthseeking process. The truthseeker might overturn accepted beliefs. -- Harry A. Overstreet I do not want church groups controlling the schools of our country. They must remain free. -- Eleanor Roosevelt Religion ... is the first enemy of the ability to think. -- Ayn Rand I have never, in all my life, not for one moment, been tempted toward religion of any kind. The fact is that I feel no spiritual void. I have my philosophy of life, which does not include any aspect of the supernatural. -- Isaac Asimov If people need religion, ignore them and maybe they will ignore you, and you can go on with your life. It wasn't until I was beginning to do "Star Trek" that the subject of religion arose again. What brought it up was that people were saying that I would have to have a chaplain on board the Enterprise. I replied, "No, we don't". - Gene Roddenberry Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile! -- Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is quite staggering. -- R. Buckminster Fuller Religion is but a desperate attempt to find an escape from the truly dreadful situation in which we find ourselves. Here we are in this wholly fantastic universe with scarcely a clue as to whether our existence has any real significance. No wonder then that many people feel the need for some belief that gives them a sense of security, and no wonder that they become very angry with people like me who say that this is illusory. -- Fred Hoyle Men rarely (if ever) managed to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. -- Robert A. Heinlen The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. -- Salman Rushdie There are a score of great religions in the world, each with scores or hundreds of sects, each with priestly orders, its complicated creed and ritual, its heavens and hells. Each has its thousands or millions or hundreds of millions of "true believers"; each damns all the others with more or less heartiness - and each is a mighty fortress of graft. -- Upton Sinclair Christianity is such a silly religion. -- Gore Vidal All your Western theologies, the whole mythology of them, are based on the concept of God as a senile delinquent. -- Tennessee Williams As a historian, I confess to a certain amusement when I hear the Judeo-Christian tradition praised as the source of our present-day concern for human rights. ... In fact, the great religious ages were notable for their indifference to human rights. -- Aurthur Schlesinger By the year 2000 we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God. -- Gloria Steinem In the Bullshit Department, a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman. 'Cause I gotta tell you the truth, folks. When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit! -- George Carlin |
See Free Inquiry for more.
If you wonder why I bother to say all this, here's why.
Why all this fuss about religion?It's getting to be more and more on my mind. That is, I'm more and more seeing it as one of the most serious problems in our country and the world. - in our country because it threatens our freedom, our educational system, and our population's ability to think. - in the world because it threatens world peace. Each day I find myself more compelled to speak out wherever I am and let people know there are other views around them. Most people either agree with me or are offended - two not very useful results. I've no need to talk about this with those who agree. Regarding those who don't, I'm not trying to argue, just to present a point of view. I suspect that many people are Christians (or Muslims or whatever) just because they don't know anything else. I want them to hear what I say as an alternative, not a challenge. I knew a man who, when younger, was three years into a college program to become a minister when he became an atheist. He was very openly atheist at all times. It came across, not as though he had any axe to grind, but just as an integral part of who he was. I was with hundreds of people who knew him and never heard any objection to how he acted regarding his atheism. You couldn't talk with with him for half an hour without it coming up somehow. He was very direct about it, and surely offended people sometimes but also got them to think a little, I think. |
Is abortion murder? Here's how we know.
Whom can I kill?It had such an effect on me - I just can't stop thinking about it. I guess it shows that a "ten week old unborn baby" is a human being and we shouldn't kill it. It's a fetus - or feetus. It has feet. But wait. Cows have feet (but no toes). Chickens have feet (but only four toes). It's okay to kill cows and chickens. I guess it's that fifth toe that makes the difference. All right - I get it. The point of it is that the feet are perfectly formed at ten weeks. Therefore the baby has a soul - or sole - or two. I've heard there are occasional babies born with no feet, just stubs, or even no legs. I guess it would be alright to kill them. I have one foot slightly smaller with a missing bone at the ankle - been that way all my life. Perhaps it would be alright to kill me. What is it okay to kill?
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Are there still any religions that include human sacrifice? Here are a couple examples.
Human Sacrifice?Judaism started with a person willing to sacrifice his son for God. |
What about The Bible? Let's see what The Bible says.
Do you trust the Bible?I also said to myself, As for humans, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. -- Ecclesiastes 3:18-20 |
After all this serious talk, can you lighten up a little? Let's try.
Does God have a sense of humor?God may have a good enough sense of humor to laugh at this - maybe even good enough to make it true.
Listen:
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